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Fast and Furious is not Gunrunner



The Constitution, which sets forth the principle of rule of law, defines what is unconstitutional, and guarantees freedom of speech and other liberties of a Constitutional republic, and also describes the impeachment power. (How many know of the Jewish roots of this document?) Hypocrisy threatens Constitutional government. Could Israel use a constitution like this? More to the point: would a Convention of States save it, or destroy it? (Example: civil asset forfeiture violates the Constitution.) Quick fixes like Regulation Freedom Amendments weaken it. Furthermore: the Constitution provides for removing, and punishing, a judge who commits treason in his rulings. Furthermore, opponents who engage in lawfare against an elected President risk breaking the Constitution.

A recent video upload has many thinking that Operations Gunrunner and Fast and Furious are the same. They aren’t—but one led to the other.

What is Project Gunrunner?

Project Gunrunner is a duly authorized multi-agency project of the Department of Justice. It aims to stop any flow of weapons from the American Southwest into Mexico. It is what Deputy Attorney General David Ogden meant to announce on March 24, 2009. (See the video below.) It is the type of thing most agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) signed on for. Everyone knows about it, and it has come up for review. Most people, or at least most independent voters, would applaud the goals that the DOJ and ATF describe for it. (Here is a search result for “Gunrunner” on the DOJ site.)

What is Fast and Furious?

David Ogden, former Deputy Attorney General. Did he authorize Fast and Furious? Maybe.

David Ogden, former Deputy Attorney General. If he authorized Fast and Furious, he did not do it in the March 24 press conference. Photo: USDOJ.

Operation Fast and Furious is something else. This is what National Gun Rights Examiner David Codrea called “Project Gunwalker.” In it, senior law-enforcement agents and supervisors let “straw buyers” buy lots of guns from gun stores in and near Phoenix, Arizona, and “walk” them back to Mexico. (And Codrea and pal Mike Vanderboegh have since learned that another ATF office was “walking” guns into Honduras, in the same way.) Most observers still think that Fast and Furious was a “sting” that served the goals of Gunrunner. Those who concern themselves the most about Americans’ right to keep and bear arms see that the “sting” is on the American people, not any gangsters on either side of any border.

What’s the difference?

The difference, other than the two projects working against one another, is that David Ogden’s press conference is not good evidence that he, or any of his bosses, authorized Fast and Furious. This is not to say that no such evidence exists. Vanderboegh reported three weeks ago that John Solomon of The Daily Beast found such evidence. Solomon quotes Ogden as saying this in a “law-enforcement-sensitive” memo in October of 2009, seven months after his press conference:

Given the national scope of this issue, merely seizing firearms through interdiction will not stop firearms trafficking to Mexico. We must identify, investigate, and eliminate the sources of illegally trafficked firearms and the networks that transport them.

That’s what Operation Fast and Furious should have been about, if it had a legitimate goal. But that is not how the Justice Department ran it. They made no effort to track any of those guns. A US border patrol agent died in the line of duty, and his killers used two of those guns in that battle.

Codrea and Vanderboegh separately plead with people not to read too much into any particular piece of evidence. Some of it is old news. Sometimes people think they have found evidence, because a document, or video, mentions a name that sounds familiar.


Happily, two senior Members of Congress are looking into this. The rest of us should be at least as careful as they have been with the evidence they have.

Featured article: the Constitution of the United States. Photo: National Archives.


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Terry A. Hurlbut has been a student of politics, philosophy, and science for more than 35 years. He is a graduate of Yale College and has served as a physician-level laboratory administrator in a 250-bed community hospital. He also is a serious student of the Bible, is conversant in its two primary original languages, and has followed the creation-science movement closely since 1993.

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No but Operation “Fast and Furious” was an Operation under PROJECT Gunrunner that began in 2005 and David Ogden’s Press Conference though not good evidence is still evidence as Project Gunrunner was an on going effort and “New Effort” was under the radar Black Op’s. ” Directed by the President” Ogden quoted. Ogden is a Litigation Attorney and is the Ollie North in this. If you look into why he left you will find that his job was to clean up the image of the DOJ after the Bush administration and was at odds with Holder over this. Know what Gunrunner was and new efforts would be the opposite.Your right gunrunner is not the same in that it was intended to catch the “strawbuyers” before they were within an hour of the battery life of the tracking devices. No matter how you angel this it was still paid for under Gunrunner!!!


A bit of inside info for you :White House is actively preparing for possible Eric Holder resignation. Fast and Furious guns are now linked with the assassination of Gabby Gifford. Jay Carney is set up to keep firewall in place. SIGNIFICANT details to break soon. Obama openly accuses senior cabinet official of acting against him on this. Another outburst. “Screaming at adviser” Critical help from media paying dividends. This White House in very serious trouble. More to come next week. You can share this if you like – want some to know. -INSIDER I got this from an Insider in the White House.


A friend of mine writes a series of articles called The Ulsterman Reports White House Insider. He was told to lay low on the story back on July 6th and yesterday fed us this info. Insider as been spot on in info he has released for the past 2 years I have been following Ulstermans articles. I have another friend that has inside info said that to expect Holder to resign in the next 7 to 14 days earlier this week. Ulsterman’s info only confirms what is about to happen. I am sure Ulsterman is in the process of a huge story right now not sure when he will post or get the go head from Insider. I guess we are all going to have to sit back and wait for the White House to announce it … my guess is that it will be sometime next week!


Just got updated that GG in message is Gary Grindler not Gabby Gifford.


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