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Zelensky and Trump – history

The call, and meeting, between Volodymyr Zelensky and then-President Donald Trump revealed a moment in history that could have turned.

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Yesterday afternoon, Twitter User WarClandestine dropped yet another thread, this time about Donald J. Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky. The thread lasts for only ten tweets, but in it WarClandestine clearly shows that the Russian “special military operation” in Ukraine need never have happened. Trump gave Zelensky a choice, and he made it. Unfortunately for him and the world, Zelensky chose the worldwide Deep State.

Zelensky and Trump – a backgrounder

Recall that Donald Trump called Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25, 2019. During that call, Trump pressed Zelensky on the revelations about Joe Biden and his son Hunter. That call occasioned the first impeachment of Trump by the House of Representatives, then under Democratic Party control. (The Republicans still controlled the Senate, and in any event conviction on impeachment requires two thirds of the Senators present.) On September 24, 2019, the White House released a transcript. CNN published it.

The very next day (September 25), Trump and Zelensky met face-to-face in New York City.

Trump spoke glowingly of Zelensky – but not so glowingly of the corruption problem in Ukraine. The younger man had run for election on an anti-corruption platform. In a key moment, Trump specifically suggested that Zelensky confer with Vladimir Putin of Russia to “solve his problem.”

The problem, as WarClandestine touched on in an earlier thread, is that Barack Obama had systematically set up Deep State oligarchs to control everything worth controlling in Ukraine. Trump made no secret of his concern, and spoke openly about it. But perhaps Zelensky didn’t see it as a problem – just as he did nothing about Hunter Biden’s corrupt business dealings.

Yesterday afternoon, WarClandestine brought the subject up again.

The thread

This thread is relatively short – these even numbers make five tweets. But they are loaded with video snippets and images of key documents.

Reaction came relatively swiftly. Some accused Russia of corruption – but others asked those accusers to present facts to back up their claims.

Not one user disputed WarClandestine’s description of the meeting. Many users commented on Zelensky’s “uncomfortable” appearance.

Some people will never believe anything against the legacy media. But one user took another to task over whether Zelensky was telling the truth.

Along that line, came this from yet another user:

This user shared another YouTube video giving further evidence of the corruption Zelensky seems to have tolerated.


This thread reminds us all to put the first Trump impeachment into perspective. Clearly Trump was getting too close to the situation Barack Obama created in Ukraine. So the Democratic House impeached Trump – but, of course, did not succeed in removing him.

But WarClandestine suggests something else, something CNAV has heard from other sources. Namely that Trump and Vladimir Putin are allied on one issue above all: breaking the power of the Deep State. Recall that Putin, in 2016, canceled an overseas trip and put his country on alert. Recall also that Putin suggested that his people arm themselves – as he has done before. Dictators do not want their people armed. But confident leaders do, recognizing that an armed citizenry is the last line of defense. And also this maxim:

An armed society is a polite society.

Robert A. Heinlein

Did SARS-CoV-2 force Putin’s hand? No. The defeat of Trump forced his hand. Perhaps, had Trump won, Zelensky would have made a different choice. And perhaps those old Soviet laboratories, that the U.S. government alleged were now threat-reduction laboratories, would have ceased to be. But Zelensky stuck with the oligarchs, with the results we all know.

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Terry A. Hurlbut has been a student of politics, philosophy, and science for more than 35 years. He is a graduate of Yale College and has served as a physician-level laboratory administrator in a 250-bed community hospital. He also is a serious student of the Bible, is conversant in its two primary original languages, and has followed the creation-science movement closely since 1993.

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